Russert cites the following excerpt from a Boston Globe Op/Ed penned by Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) in 2003:

"I've heard the reasons for opposing civil marriage for same-sex couples. Cut through the distractions, and they stink of the same fear, hatred, and intolerance I have known in racism and in bigotry.

Some say let's choose another route and give gay folks some legal rights but call it something other than marriage. We have been down that road before in this country. Separate is not equal. The rights to liberty and happiness belong to each of us and on the same terms, without regard to either skin color or sexual orientation."

Obama expresses the need for equal rights for gays and lesbians, touting his support for anti-discrimination and gay rights legislation in his home state. Obama reiterates his stance against marriage, but for civil unions.

"I would make absolutely certain," says the Senator, "that all federal laws pertaining to married couples--benefits pertaining to married couples, are conferred to people who--same-sex couples who have civil unions as well."

Obama disagrees with Rev. McClurkin on two counts: Obama does not believe that homosexuality is a choice, nor does he believe it is a curse. On his alliance with McClurkin, Obama says that, as somebody who seeks to reach out to those with whom he disagrees, the Democrats ought to reach out to communities such as the Evangelicals, who have historically been viewed as "hostile."

By reaching out, says the Senator, one can at least open a dialogue and at least offer an opportunity for understanding, even if disagreement remains.

Video of the interview, broadcast on Sunday, November 11, 2007, is available below: